Say it Ain't So Joe, Say It Ain't So!

You are engaging in double speak I think.

But maybe someone smarter than me, 'cuz I'm just a country woman raising sheep and teaching her girls at home, can straighten me out. I probably don't have a good grasp on how things work.

But I do have a grasp that God has my back and I need not worry. I do believe that God has placed me in this time and space for a reason. And if he can care intimately about me, count the hairs on my head, he can care about the nation I live in. He can desire that I care. Not to put my nation above Him but to be a good steward of the nation he has placed me in. He has given me an easy job, being a good steward of the nation I am in is easy, because that nation desires that I participate in its care, it is written in the constiution that I participate and care deeply about where it has come from, its fundamentals, and where it is going. So with that, with absence of fear and worry I come again to discuss an important topic, not as important a topic as the salvation of your soul or mine but more important than whether we eat Chinese or Italian tonight, that's for sure.

I have quotes in my post. They are only as accurate as I can get them from the speakers in my living room on about three play throughs. The are not official transcripts okayed by the people I quote. They are done with care but I don't think that makes them perfect.



I was impressed with the debate tonight, Sarah Palin is a galvanizer.

I have said many times that, this ol' democrat was totally ready to vote for John McCain. I said so, for among many reasons, because I saw him as a galvanizer, and so is his partner.

I find the opponent to be luller. I do not care to see our strong vital nation, that ought to rise up to show herself and other nations to be a strong, beautiful, free place on earth, to be lulled into complacency until our freedoms are gone.


But to Joe's double speak. Let's go tonight to the foreign policy portion.

Madame Moderator asks about Biden's history as an interventionist in Bosnia, Kosavo, initially in Iraq and in Pakastan and now in Darfur, putting boots on the ground. She asks,"Is this something the American public has the stomach for?"


"I think the American public has the stomach for success. My recommendations on Bosnia, I admit I was the first one who recomended it, they saved tens of thousands of lives and initially John McCain opposed it along with a lot of other people.

The end result was it worked. Look what we did in Bosnia, we took Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks, being told by everyone, I was told by everyone, that this would mean that they had been fighting and killing each other a thousand years it would never work, there a relatively stable government there now, as there is in Kosavo.

He then goes on to say that he didn't think that the war in Iraq was a good thing, that he warned that we would be there for a decade it would cost us tens of billions of dollars and indicated that McCain was glib about our ability to succeed. Then he leeps to:

"I don't have the stomach for genocide when it comes to Darfur." Because you had a stomach for the mass murders Sadam committed on his own people?


He claims, "We can lead NATO if we are willing to take a hard stand." What, like the hard stand Bush took about Iraq that enabled Bush to lead you and Obama?

"We should rally the world to act and we should demonstrate it by our own movement to provide the helicopters to get those twenty-onethousand forces of the African Union in there to stop this genocide." Own movement?

After Palin agrees with him and expains how she has called for divestment of moneys that could be tied up in Sudan and how she abhors the atrocities etc.

Madame Moderator "Is there a line that should be drawn about when we should go in?"

Biden: "The line that should be drawn is whether or not we, A, first of all have the capacity to do anything about, number one. Number two, there are certain new lines that have to be drawn internationally... when a country engages in genocide, when a country engages in harboring people who are killing our people terrorists and they will do nothing about it, that in fact at that point....that county in my veiw and in Barak's view forfiets their right to say, 'you have no right to intervene at all.' "


Right after all that and some more telling how right he was for resisting the Iraq war that was wrong from the outset Madame Moderator says that one of the biggest cliches about the vice presidency is that it is one heart beat away from the presidency how would they with their disagreements from their principles how would there administration be different from there principles administrations. (We all know that they can't possible answer this as Gwen has asked it, that would be suicide, no homicide for their ticket. but it was a fun question and certainly a way for the two candidates to talk about what ever they wanted to)


"God forbid that that would ever happen
it would be a national tragedy of historic perportions"


Here is the clincer:

"A foriegn policy that ends this war in Iraq.... A policy that in fact would engage our allies in making sure that we knew we're acting on the same page and not dictating. A policy that would reject the Bush doctrine of preemption and regime change and replace it with a doctrine of prevention and cooperation."

What happened to the line drawn and not having a stomach for genocide? Haven't we really always, with every president, used first the doctrine of prevention and cooperation? When you talk about not having a stomach for something don't you have to back that up with a firm stance? And what is a firm stance if it isn't a firm stance?


Some other things that bothered me? Aside from him misrepresenting something Obama said in, was adamant about in the first Presidential debate that I just don't have the stanima to go back over and find so I will leave it for another post, aside from that, well here are a few.


Gaffe-less they say. Oh please, come on shouldn't a history major, lawyer, senator of thirty-five years know that the Executive branch is outlined, defined by the second article not the first. The first defines the branch of government that Biden has served in for thirty-five years.



He was way more emotional during the whole evening. I sure hope that the fact that she hung in there was quick witted, the whole pointing backward thing, had good yet simple answers and where he got emotional and often red faced, certainly red nosed (at least on my new fancy TV) shows the nay sayers that she is very capable and should not be an issue .


I loved Govenor Palin's retort to Biden's telling of Barack's plan for the war in Iraq including a definate time line. She collected her composure and slowly answered, "Your plan is a white flag of surrender in Iraq. And that is not what our troops need to hear today, that's for sure and that is not what our country needs to count on. We'll know when we are finished in Iraq when the Iraqi govenment can govern its people and the Iraqi security forces can secure its people and our commanders on the ground will tell us when those conditions are met." She then went on to commend Biden for his support of McCains Iraq policy until he became the VP pick with sweetness and smiles and sincerty she complements him the honor that she says he has shown our military. Then she changes her demeanor says, "Barak Obama though, another story there. Anyone I think who can cut off funding for the troops after promising not to, that's another story," with firmness in her jaw and eyes locked on the camera.

We need galvanizers.

But I have stayed up way to late. Tomorrow will be a very good day. God Bless and Good night (or morning)